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Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	terbium (Hive Bee)
Posted on	10-09-00 11:18
Post No	58491
In reply to: The elves thought maybe the R-isomer also may have formed in the reaction and wonder if this would explain the villagers complaints or if the villagers are so accustomed to getting products mixed with so much shit (meth,DOM,MDA) that they have no idea what good MDMA is All of the standard reduction procedures - NaBH4, Al/Hg amalgam, catalytic hydrogenation etc. will produce the R and S enantiomers in equal proportions. More likely that the locals just don't know what real MDMA is like.



Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	spric (Hive Bee)
Posted on	10-09-00 11:31
Post No	58494
I would say that the villagers do not regularly get real MDMA. It's like someone thinking it was fake because they didn't vomit. True X-men know the value of a 120mg pill compared to most pills obtained at raves, but many people that I have ran across describe much more intense highs off of a few other types of pills compared to some real stuff. I heard those double stacke mistubishi's (which are full of lethal PAM, around a dozen deaths have been reported world wide from them) really pack a stronger buzz and are the strongest around, go figure If you can't drink while doing it, it ain't worth doing.



Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	yellium (Hive Bee)
Posted on	10-09-00 21:32
Post No	58578
Yup, same here. I've had someone chewing away +200mg mdma and saying it was `subtle', simply because he'd expected other effects (nauseau, dizzyness, `buzz'). It's like that lameass friend who wants to get wasted and gulps half a liter of your 12-year old scotch down his throat.



Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	LeDucq (Stranger)
Posted on	10-12-00 08:22
Post No	59396
Ok folks, I'm astonished when I read all this High Yield MDMA 'crap'. It can sometimes occur that you vomish on MDMA.(sideeffect) But one thing for sure: 'MDMA is not MDMA' I once got from 2 diff. sources at the same time a bit of the white powder. 80% sure that it's not cut. The modest one(MO): 120mg vs. The Batch(TB):100 mg. MO: dilated pupils, little jawclench, somewhat borderline = SOFT_ (jawclench means d'après moi enough powder) TB: euphoria for 1 hour_ Does each batch of MDMA have different compositionpercentages of the isomers? If someone could divorse the L of the D-isomer, shouldn't it be the happiest person on planet KOZZMOZZ (14 oct. 2000 ; Belgium, Gent, Citadelpark, Kuipke !!)__



Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	Osmium (Stonium's / Changer)
Posted on	10-12-00 08:57
Post No	59409
> Does each batch of MDMA have different compositionpercentages of the isomers? NO! Definitely not! It will always be the same, and usually it is 50:50 with the procedures discussed here on this board. The main difference lies in the drug user: set and setting, full or empty stomach, how much that person slept during the last days, what that person ate and when, how long since last drug use, maybe even what size the moon is. BUT YOUR MDMA IS ALWAYS THE SAME AS LONG AS IT IS PURE! I my opinion your two samples were different compounds or of different purity. Or you took them in two not comparable days. Racemate separation isn't difficult at all. Have a look at the serious board.



Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	buchiguy (Stranger)
Posted on	10-13-00 06:31
Post No	59530
Now I was ready to blow off this reduction because I thought it contained a disproportionate amount of the racemate relative to other procedures. The elves were using a bromosafrole - bomb method before and the villagers were very happy, but the methylamine HCL used to produce gas also contained some Ammonium Chloride so ammonia gas was also produced, ultimately creating a MDMA - MDA mix. Perhaps the more speed-like effects of the MDA is what kept the villagers happy. Or is this because the bromo - bomb method produces less of the racemates? The elves had great Buchi distillation equipment in use when producing this batch and washed several times with acetone after crystallization, drying product to a perfect white, so quite sure product is pure. Also, do many clandestine chemists actually take the time to perform racemate seperation or is the overwhelming majority of "pure MDMA" out there simply a combination of all the racemates?



Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	LaBTop (Daddy)
Posted on	10-13-00 20:35
Post No	59763
If your labskills are good, you get half/half( people seem not to understand what 50/50 means) amounts of the "dextro" and "levo" isomers. The quality of the experience is the same for the pure isomer or the racemic mix, the only difference is, that you need more of the racemic to get the same result. But as I explained allready in the Serious forum, the difference for MDMA is 120 mg (isomer) to 160 mg (racemic), so it would be quite a stupid thing to do, to split your racemic mix in the 2 isomers, then you have 50% good working product, and 50 procent product nobody wants. And with no extra effort, you allready make pills which contain 160mg racemic (the real maximum for one racemic pill, anything more is pure idiot, if some morons want more, let them buy more), that's 25% more then you would need for a pure isomer, and 1000% less extra work to split the isomers. And the difference in effect is neglectible for MDMA. What is much more probable, in case of all these effect reports, is that people who do complain about differences in effects from different sources have been fucked by their dealers, who usually do know nothing from chemistry, but come up with the most unbelievable fairytales about their products. The Cook who sold it to the dealers has no fun anymore in trying to explain to the dummies how chemistry works, so after having to listen to the 500th story about complaints from customers from said dummies, he starts throwing in some speed and suddenly all customers seem to be happy again, they can dance a lot longer and still have a lot of sexually tinted fun, without ever beeing able to perform any sexual deeds indeed in the first 8 hours after intake. They all want to get laid, but biology rules, and they look at a dick the size of a baby tooth. Luckily, after about 8 hours, they can slowly perform again, so mother nature has build in a safety net, to prevent them from lowering their pants allready on the dance floor. What a relief for the more amorous types! A bigger relief for many woman is the fact, that even the more aggressive types who don't know the BIG difference between plain sex and love, suddenly get an insight in that unexplored field as well. It's as with hash and alcohol, the bar-wreckers suddenly turn to intrinsicality types. The police in Holland were in fact quite pleased with the effects of hash on the more violent drinkers, and started to ignore a lot of then so-called hash abuse, because of the calming effect on their most hated clientele. MDMA has the same effect on sex-maniacs, if it is not mixed at all or not too much speed (no more then 10%). So why they want to ban it so dearly is totally unclear to me.( Most politicians=lawmakers have no time anymore for good old love, only quickies, only sex?) If you warn grownup people for the side effects from abuse, that will workout in the end 100 times better then a total ban, history has proven so many times allready that humankind is especially intrigued by any forbidden substances. And never give it to minors, they don't have the life experience yet to handle drugs in a mature way. Even most grownups have to get used to it, and find a reasonable intake scheme. Use with care, mind over body, not vice versa. LT/ WISDOMwillWIN



Subject	Re: High Yield MDMA (but concerns)	Reply
Posted by	yellium (Hive Bee)
Posted on	10-14-00 00:35
Post No	59807
LaBTop: go tell that in the dutch gay scene. Some of these guys do really stupid things.



Subject	villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	paranoidandroid (Stranger)
Posted on	11-07-00 17:41
Post No	67300
if the methylamine supply had ammonia gas in it, the elves would have ended up with MDA and MDMA. suppose the elves gave out 120mg doses to people, then the villagers would only be getting like 80mg MDMA and 40mg MDA. the MDMA would be a threshhold dosage level, and the MDA would be at an inactive level. if your elves still have the product around, suggest to them to bump up the dosages and call em double stacks. they wouldn't be that far off from the truth in doing so because you have one hit of MDMA and one of MDA, which the villagers should find to be a very enjoyable cross.



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	zooligan (Hive Addict)
Posted on	11-07-00 21:37
Post No	67357
I'm not sure you can seperate out dosages like that. 80mg MDMA by itself is a threshold dose, and 40mg MDA by itself is probably inactive, but together you have to consider interactive effects. I think you would have to call it a dose of 120mg of 3,4-MeDiO-some-kinda-amine-mixture. ;



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	sunlight (Hive Bee)
Posted on	11-08-00 02:10
Post No	67404
80 mg of MDMA is not very strong, but it's ok for my first hit on the night. Think that the usual pills have 60-90 mg. And 40 mg of MDA is in the threshold, but there will be interaction, I'd say that this combo it's ok. I'll tell you something very educating about what people think they are eating and effects. Same material was usually capsulated at 125 mg with colourless caps. But there were not more capsules then, and the material at 125 mg was capsulated with blue capsules. People appreciated a lot of difference between colourless and blue caps, blue caps were softer, not so good material... not bad, but not the same. Nobody knows they were made from the same pot.



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	zooligan (Hive Addict)
Posted on	11-08-00 02:37
Post No	67407
Color has a VERY strong influence over people's perceptions. Next time, try this: cap 1/2 with yellow or red gels, and 1/2 with blue or green gels. I guarantee a significant percentage of the people who do both will describe the "hot" color as more speedy, and the "cool" color as more mellow. z



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	paranoidandroid (Stranger)
Posted on	11-08-00 06:08
Post No	67463
I'm not an expert in how brain receptors work, but I doubt that MDA and MDMA taken together would work in the brain the same way. they affect a person similarly, but there are very distinct differences in the way they work and the effects they put off. I seriously doubt taking the 2 together in half doses would produce anywhere near the effects of just one of them at full dose.



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	buchiguy (Newbee)
Posted on	11-08-00 11:28
Post No	67554
I disagree entirely. The villagers were VERY happy with a mix at around 110 mg per mixed dose. I would conclude that there is a definite sinergistic effect with the combination of the two. By the way, same people who said the elves product was weak now love it. Some people say it's weak but ALL the experts say it is EXCELLENT. It is excellent. It just isn't cut with anything like meth which most of the common folk are accustomed to.



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	Semtex (Hive Elder/ Old Fart)
Posted on	11-08-00 13:14
Post No	67581
If i'm not mistaken mixing MDMA and MDA is slightly toxic... Mean People Suck



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	paranoidandroid (Stranger)
Posted on	11-08-00 14:21
Post No	67598
I think they're toxic in themselves.



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	lostboys (Stranger)
Posted on	07-15-01 19:24
Post No	190712
there is such a huge differrence between mda and mdma that it would be hard for anyone who really had mda once to mistake it. The pure mda opens heart charka to your inner eye, not so with mdma. I speak from someone elses looong experence on this matter.



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	Osmium (Stoni's sexual toy)
Posted on	07-16-01 05:58
Post No	190781
> The pure mda opens heart charka to your inner eye, > not so with mdma. Oh really! All I can say is MDA fucks me up pretty good. Heart chakra it is called nowadays, I see...



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	weasil (Hive Bee)
Posted on	07-16-01 11:17
Post No	190826
No comment



Subject	Re: villagers were right	Reply
Posted by	LaBTop (Daddy)
Posted on	07-16-01 15:12
Post No	190872
I agree with lostboys (who is back home again). Purity of MDA is very important, and the right dose, which can vary from person to person (mostly 80-100 mg). It also helps to isolate and ingest the right isomer.The speedy effect of the other isomer is significantly stronger than from MDMA. Welcome home, my friend! LT/ WISDOMwillWIN

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